New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

Jeffrey Browns — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:12:38 GMT

Chris,

I remember Apple, Ubuntu, Novell, SuSE, RedHat, BeOS and IBM using the exact same reasons to upgrade that you stated above.

Yep, it's more secure. We figured it would be. What a statement in the obvious. What I can't figure out is the productvity claim. Could you please go into more detail how Vista enables me, for a 2000-user county, to gain more productivity out of the users that would be worth the roughly $1 Million dollar contract my current TAM is begging me to sign for our EA. Neither us, the local Microsoft SME, nor the TAM himself could come up with anything that we could not add to our current XP setup for less than $100,000.

From the looks of it, Vista would have cost us 900 times what we really needed feature for feature comparison. Microsfot really needs to understand that we, as customers, value value. If anyone can show me the wow I keep hearing about, please let myself and the Microsoft sales team know. They are desperate at this point.

Jeffrey Browns

Sr. Director County Services

Anonymous County, NJ

USA

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

BarbaraWalsh — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:36:17 GMT

I read this article and I'm still not seeing any business value. Telling people "it's more secure!" is hogwash. Every new OS is going to tout that. The next item "Unlocks potential" is equally poor. Doesn't every new OS do this? We continue with "More productive!".

So far three of the five bullet points are complete spin. When companies promote things like Security, potential, and productivity in their product marketing, that's not a good sign. Those are vague statements.

Speeds ROI and migration? How? If, for example, I have 100 computers running XP fine with my applicaitons, how will Vista speed up my ROI and migration? Likewise, if I can slipstream in XP, how does Vista's non-slipstreaming help me migrate? I'm not so sure about this claim.

Reduces support costs? I'm really no so sure about this claim. From what I've seen it appears to increase costs. This may not be what Microsoft sees, but out in the real world I'm going to have to call BS on this one.

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

Drakee — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:12:57 GMT

This site gets more and more hilarious by the day. The spin is simply out of control. I'm assuming there will be some major new announcement from Microsoft regarding Baghdad Bob joining these bulletin boards soon.

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

Jeremy W — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:56:37 GMT

Unlocks potential? More productive?

May I provide the Vista Development Team with an extensive PPT for a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell to them?

Also, the website about compatibility... This comes 18 months AFTER introduction. Hello, is there any rational life in Redmond? This should have been implemented 6 months before launch. Who is running this company?

Here is a suggestion: get your products fixed so they work. Get people to buzz about them POSITIVELY before introduction. Stop whining about all the bad publicity after the product is perceived to be a gelatinous, incoherent blob of uselessness and generally panned by consultants, users, corporations and government agencies. Also, it might help if you could convince people like Intel to adopt.... (Wonder why?)

In other words, stop taking your users for granted as if your monopolies grant you the right to an endless cashflow sucked from the pockets of your users.

PS I am a 16 year user of Windows but Vista is a true piece of junk, unbelievably even worse than Windows Mobile which I thought had reached a nadir.

Good luck, Chris. You deserve it!

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

Gabhan — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:16:55 GMT

Vista does anything but 'Improve Productivity'. I mean you cannot even search for files AT ALL with any degree of confidence, let alone improve searching. And if you cannot rely on your OS to manage your files, what is the point? This is the biggest step backwards in terms of productivity I have ever seen from Microsoft, and I am usually a fan. Quoting crap like 'Find the information you need on your computer and reduce time spent searching for information by up to 42%' is bordering on the criminally misleading. If you are an IT person and intend to install this on business PCs I have one word of advice. PLEASE DONT. Stick with XP, at least until MS realise the OS is meant to do the basics well....

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

revelation — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:26:00 GMT

Working as a Desktop Support Analyst I cannot see our company going to Vista. I have become a fan of Vista and do see the many improvements over Windows XP. The issue with business is hardware upgrades that would be needed with Vista also some companies are still running legacy software.

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

Trobertszzz — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:12 GMT

This article was really informative.

Company's IT departments should read this carefully and make a decision on what to advise based on what their users expectations and needs are rather than their own. Many IT departments will push what they like to support and not what is best for the company. Also, some companies will push out what they are sold and not what the IT department recommends.

I've been involved in many roll outs and I remember back when XP PRO came out and it was the same old reteoric, hate it, hate it... then XP SP1 it's not so bad, and then XP SP2...XP is cool.

I have not had any problems with Vista but, I don't let my neighbor kid support it, or a Mac/Linux guy work on it.

This was a great article.

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

qwerty — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:43:18 GMT

I have read this paper and I think it is a document of great importance.

Like a lot of users, we have been using Windows for many years, including 3.1, 95, 98 and XP. We evaluated Vista and found that it didn't meet our needs due to its poor performance, greatly increased hardware requirements and incorporation of DRM.

Also, like a lot of users we have been hanging on to XP and waiting to see what Windows 7 would bring. The hope was that it would be dramatically different from Vista - smaller, quicker, with smaller hardware requirements.

This paper makes it quite clear that there is no need to wait for W7 as it will be very similar to Vista in performance and requirements. The paper insists that we should not wait for W7 but switch now.

The arguments and evidence presented are quite compelling and we have decided that, as the paper implies, the time for XP is past and it is time to move into the future.

As a result this week we upgraded our entire network to Linux (Ubuntu 8.04). We kept our existing hardware and the performance exceeds that of XP and greatly exceeds that of Vista in our trials.

We have been running both Linux and XP on different PCs for quite a while and so we are now experienced Linux users.

This paper made the decision easy for us - thank you for publishing it!

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

BringBackDos — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:48:21 GMT

BTW don't leave a Laptop on Standby in a case! Vista is a bad sleeper and tends to wake up unexpectedly(bad dreams because of the guilt of being the worst OS since OS/2????), so if you miss breakfast on the way to work you can fry some eggs on your computer in the office .....

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

CMYK — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:06:22 GMT

I appreciate the "business value" part of the title, but if you want to see your frame-rate in [insert favorite on-line game] drop to below the skies: Install Vista. How comes multi-core functionality is messed up?!1

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

BringBackDos — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:07:42 GMT

Oh yeah, and by the way I've never been a Microsoft Basher before, but then again I've never been so disappointed by an OS - I could forgive minor twinges, but some of the 'quirks' are obviously just not finished! It makes working with the system on a daily basis really horrible. If after some SP the niggles get ironed out, I'll gladly post a 'Wow! this is great!' the IDEAS in Vista ARE good, but if I produced Software of this caliber, I'd be out of a job ....

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

BringBackDos — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:55:21 GMT

If Microsoft ever get round to FINISHING Vista i.e after they bring their next OS on the market then maybe there will be some business value, but until then ....

Sync Center only allows me to sync media files to a usb stick - very useful! will be a nice feature when its finished.

Vista 'forgets' any settings for views of a folder, so get used to seeing 'ratings' for all your documents in explorer, but don't worry windows will 'guess' again the next time you view the folder - nice feature if it worked!

oh yeah and blue screen may not be such a regular anymore but now you get the green ribbon of death!

God I wish I'd bought a macbook! Dell won't let me 'Upgrade' to XP so I guess I'll have to wait for SP52 (They must manage to finish it sometime!)

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

gm3d — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:40:43 GMT

Windows Vista is slower at file transfers, even with the updates, SP1 was released too damn early and it seemed like it was rushed. Until i get my performance of XP SP2 i'm not going back to vista.

Im always encountering errors with explorer which is a pain! not to be rude or anything but i say scrap this or work on the performance NOT THE VISUALS like the normal Microsoft thing. You should know what i'm talking about *cough* Windows Live Messenger *cough* Gimme an email if you want and ill tell you just about every single bug that you people don't know yet!

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

hi_its_ashu — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:20:38 GMT

Windows vista is not for advanced users!!! Its for home users who use their systems just for fun or surfing the net!!!

re: New Whitepaper: The Business Value of Windows Vista

BobWells — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:12:51 GMT

Make me more productive by 42%?

Yeah, right. And the earth is still flat too.