Accessible UAC Prompts

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deltatroc — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:40:25 GMT

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re: Accessible UAC Prompts

packzap — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:35:48 GMT

I can't remember being so frustrated in my life with an Operating System - Vista!!!!!

Here's an easy thing I thought I could do this morning: create a shortcut in the start menu pointing to an html file located in C:\program files.

After finding the new location in Vista for the start menu tree (c:\program data\microsoft\windows\start menu) and trying to paste in the shortcut, a dialog box always comes up saying, "windows cannot create a shortcut here, do you want it placed on the desktop instead".

Nooooo! I yelled at my pc. I checked permissions and they showed full control for administrator, which I am. OK, I tried creating the shortcut a different way by right clicking in that start menu folder, then selected New and all that's available is Folder - not Shortcut.

Alright, I calmly thought as my blood pressure began uncontrollably rising. I closed Windows Explorer, then right clicked and said to run Explorer as administrator. I encountered the same damn problem.

How in the Hell does a person put a shortcut in a programs folder in the Start Menu with Windows Vista??? Gawd, I am so teed off with Vista. I am ready to go back to XP or over to Linux Kubuntu. Anything besides this mess of complications and frustration.

Beware of the UAC Prompt Timeout

InstallSite Blog — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:10:07 GMT

Recently I encountered a strange problem when I tried to install an MSI based setup on Windows Vista.

re: Accessible UAC Prompts

Keith — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:07:22 GMT

Well, I found out from MS Support that the keyboard's OK. I was able to get into Safe Mode after some BIOS work. However, because I've got a Media Center Extender account (xbox 360), which for some reason is an admin account, safe mode will not enable the Administrator account (apparently, it checks to see if another admin account is enabled but does not check if that account will show up on the welcome screen)

So there you have it. So far, the only solution I've been given is a System Restore, but I'll lose 2 weeks of emails and development work. I can go the rest of my life without reading an MS press release mentioning "Trustworthy Computing" for the rest of my life.

re: Accessible UAC Prompts

Keith — Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:11:41 GMT

Lemme share my Vista UAC story (it's an "I NOW HATE VISTA" story, so beware): http://kpatrick.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!D96649A68453CFE1!266.entry

Basically, I've got the last UAC prompt you are showing, but no admin account is listed (and the Administrator account *is* there). Coupled with Vista apparently disabling my USB/F-Lock MS keyboard (Natural 4000), not only can I not do anything admin-related, I can't even get into Safe Mode!

So how about putting that CTRL-ALT-DEL login prompt back into the Welcome screen or making UAC a bit more robust? I've been unable to debug a web app all weekend (it was due for delivery today, in fact), and have spent over 3 hours on the phone with MS Support about it.

New Beginnings...

RSS It All — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:27 GMT

I've moved onto the Windows Experience team. It should a lot of fun to continue to follow Guided

New Beginnings...

James Finnigan — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:09:13 GMT

I've moved onto the Windows Experience team. It should a lot of fun to continue to follow Guided Help,

re: Accessible UAC Prompts

Darragh — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:58:16 GMT

Hello, I just couldn't let it pass without commenting on the latest Jaws public beta. Just so the rest of the world know, Blind people who depend on computer access via Jaws for Windows had to wait a total of 28 days before they could take advantage of this operating system. For some of us, this meant asking our employers to hold off their roleout for this long. That can seem like an eturnity when everyone in your companies IT department is pushing on you to get up to date. Now, we finally have a public beta and guess what! Both the log in screen and user access control isn't working. Now James, You said in a previous post that gaining access to the User Access Controls was as simple as editing an XML file. This seems to be in correct. Or, FS really haven't spent two years in close consultation with Microsoft. I know it's not the responsibility of Microsoft to ensure FS release support for all your features. I just wanted to make the point that nothing as as easy as it seems to be. Especially when it comes to software development. If it was, we wouldn't have had to wait 28 days for access to Vista and we would already have access to both the Secure desktop and the User Access Control screens. Thanks for reading and I look forward to any responses. P.S. I'm looking for a job! Any vacancies???

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Michael_Moor — Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:32:55 GMT

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Partner-TV: Saqib Shaikh talks about assistive technology for Windows Vista

Partner-TV: telling it like it is — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:39:25 GMT

Now that Windows Vista has been released to manufacturing, some new assistive technologies have also

re: Accessible UAC Prompts

James Senior — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:11:32 GMT

Darragh

I can't explain why Narrator wasn't working on the demo machines in Jan, but I can assure you I saw it succesfully interact with UAC yesterday. Windows Eyes also works with UAC. The Jaws version that works with Windows Vista is not available until mid february.

For more information I would check out the January podcast from Freedom Scientific with their CTO: http://www.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast002-january2007.asp.

They talk high-level technical about the fundamental changes in Windows Vista and why it requires accessibility software to be re-engineered.

Hope this helps

James

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Darragh — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:40:23 GMT

Thanks again for your response James,

Nerrator did not work with UAC on the machines that were used during the demonstration of Vista in Ireland in January and it doesn't work in my office at the moment. Actually on a similar note, I have Vista in my office but Jaws still doesn't work with it.

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James Senior — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:18:01 GMT

Darragh

Narrator does work with UAC. When a UAC dialog box is opened a new instance of narrator launches running with elevated privileges.

There are a large number of Assistive Technology Vendors who we work very closely with to ensure they offer functioning accessibility products. You can find the full list of vendors here: http://www.microsoft.com/enable/at/matvplist.aspx.

You might also be interested in the full list of Microsoft AT Products here: http://www.microsoft.com/enable/at/vista/

It's not Microsoft's place to dictate prices to vendors like these but to ensure that they can create products that allows full accessibility. You are right that Microsoft does have the resources to build full accessibility into its products and in doing so remove the need of vendor products. Whether or not that is the right thing to do is a complex argument on many levels and one which I'm sure you can appreciate.

Best Regards

James

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Darragh — Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:48:43 GMT

Hello James, thanks for your response. I appreciate your answer and I understand what you say. I however do not believe that there is nothing Microsoft could have done or still could do to help with this upgrade. You say that this is a completely different version of Windows, True, but the necessity for accessibility is still the same as it was in XP to those who depend on screen readers. I really don't understand how you can think that it is exceptable for Blind users of Windows to be fourced to pay this accessive upgrade price for software that they depend on and software that is necessary to access a system that Microsoft should take responsibility for. Your Nerrator is a great application considering the very few resources you put into it but it just about fulfills your obligations and no more. You still haven't answered why it doesn't provide access to the U A C window. Considering the fix is as easy as you want us to believe should this not have been done a long time ago? You say that the article was written with the input of saquip. Are you saying that he agrees that Screen reader developers such as FreedomScientific should have the freedom to impose these prices on visually impaired and Blind perspective Vista users? As another Blind person, I really doubt that. He knows just as much as I do that screen reader prices are unfair and in my firm belief, Microsoft as the developer of this system that requires such a baddly developed add on to enable the bolt on accessibility features developed by A-T companies. and therefore they should stand up and take responsibility for their neglect to serve a growing user base. Expecting us to pay for accessibility that should be included in the operating system from the ground up is just crazy. I don't expect a response to this from Microsoft but if one is provided I expect to be as vague and misleading as usual. Don't get me wrong. I use Microsoft products every day. I am reliant on them for employment and most other things in my day to day life. I don't see Microsoft as a big bad company. I see them as an organization with the resources to make a big difference to accessibility. I didn't and will never expect Microsoft to incorporate full accessibility into any of their systems or applications but what I do expect is for them to support their customers from time to time when it is very obvious a third party is taking complete advantage.

re: Accessible UAC Prompts

James Senior — Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:35:29 GMT

Hi r3m0t and Dera

You both raised concerns about needing to upgrade your screenreaders to work with Vista. As I'm sure you're aware, Vista's a significant upgrade to XP, and so the XP version of your screenreader can't be expected to run on Vista. This is the same situation as for various other mainstream products - many people will need to get upgrades to their favourite software to make it run on Vista.

Both for mainstream software vendors and also for assistive technology vendors the decision regarding how much to charge for upgrades, when to release an upgrade, and who is eligible for a certain price upgrade, is the choice of the software vendor and not Microsoft.

I appreciate screenreaders are a bit difference since blind peoples' livelihoods depend on them, but Microsoft still has no power to demand any given partner should make a particular pricing decision.

Back in January 2006 Microsoft invited all the assistive technology vendors to a porting lab in Redmond, and the assistive Technology Group has worked with them through the process. We've already seen some manufacturers release Vista-compatible versions, and all the major screenreader vendors have made statements about Vista compatibility.

I put this response together thanks to Saqib Shaikh who works as a developer for MS in the UK. He's blind and he's just started using Windows Vista with one of the compatible screenreaders. I hope to get an video interview with him soon on his experience so stay tuned...

James