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Brandon LeBlanc - Self-Proclaimed Windows Geek — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:41:44 GMT

So posting here has been a little light for the past 2 or so months. I’ve been really busy pouring lots of content into the Windows Experience Blog . I figured I’d do a little re-cap of some of my latest posts (the one’s I think are worth taking note

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

BritishExpat — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:43:31 GMT

Why is the "Windows Update" link now under the "Safety" drop-down?

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

Photo1921a — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:21:56 GMT

More, I was wrong it is not a Limitation in Vista. I downloaded earlier today a browser called Deepnet ( http://www.deepnetexplorer.com ) it uses IE 8's rendering engine and has full access to the all of the tool bars menu bars and address bar, you can move the left and right arrow buttons basically you can adjust the UI just like you use to be able to do in IE 4,5,6.

So now the real question Brandon is WHY? How dose it hurt Microsoft to allow users access to something we always had? Brandon all I am asking Microsoft to do it to stop choosing for me, is that really such a horrid thing to ask? Is that really to much? I really and truly don't understand Microsoft at all anymore, it can be done, you just will not do it....

Disappointing, totally; absolutely Disappointing...

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

Photo1921a — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:49:54 GMT

Definitely not satisfied with the minor UI allowances, Come on Brandon how is this an improvement? We still had more ability to change the UI in 4,5,and 6 than we do 7 and 8. Why can't Microsoft give us back what we always had? I want to be able to move the address bar, I want to be able to move the left and right arrows, I want to be able to put icons along side of the address bar. I am so frustrated by Microsoft because you CONTINUE to totally ignore this issue and I can not understand why? Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 was released on August 27, 2001, and it is now September 6 2008, and Microsoft still has chosen to give us a weaker and more inferior product when it comes to giving customers a choice with the UI.

Brandon in closing I will state this, I see it as one of two ways.

1) It can't be done because of limitations in Vista.

2) Microsoft doesn't care and you are just refusing to allow users access to full ui customizations.

Either way it is deplorable, and it's a shame, you gave us back not even half of what we use to have and you touting this as a GREAT NEW FEATURE!

Disappointing, totally; absolutely Disappointing...

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

jdhall1010 — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:59:45 GMT

MDOC

Yeah, I'm a real whimperer. You got me.

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

MDOC — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:23:07 GMT

Nah, "complain" isn't the right word. Is "Wah" a complaint? How about whimper?

But you seem to be among the few doing just that. (That's not a lot.)

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jdhall1010 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:53:54 GMT

Brandon,

No, I think we "complain" is the correct word,

defined (in the Encarta Dictionary) thus:

1. express unhappiness: to express discontent or unhappiness about a situation

2. describe symptoms: to describe symptoms that are being experienced, e.g. of an illness

complaining of chest pains

3. protest: to formally make an accusation of wrongdoing or a crime, or register a protest

But yeah, it's healthy input/feedback. It's all about tone, I guess. Some complaining sounds a somewhat higher note than my comfort range allows...and that's probably related more to my advanced years (COF) than the intentions of any particular author.

The important thing is that the IE8 Beta team has listened long and worked hard to produce a product that is very promising will likely far surpass other lighter, slimmer, faster stuff that's out there.

Gee. Maybe you guys should offer it as an Ultimate Extra.

Sorry. Couldn't help that.

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

Brandon LeBlanc — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:58:18 GMT

Ceinach, IE8 Beta 2 is the first broad public release of IE8 and because its Beta - it may or may not have issues. I'm pretty sure the IE Team is very much aware of the performance issues you've posted about here. I would expect performance to improve prior to RTM based on feedback on IE8 Beta 2.

The IE Team has a good avenue for submitting issues with IE8 Beta 2 here on these public newsgroups:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta&cat=en_us_2BAF8EC5-645C-4477-A380-0F1CF6C102F9&lang=en&cr=us

jdhall1010, I don't really think I would say everyone "complains" a lot. I see it as getting lots of feedback - both good or bad. And feedback is always good right?

Thanks,

Brandon

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jdhall1010 — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:36:47 GMT

We complain a lot, but. . .just took a look at Google's Chrome beta. Gotta say that if I wanted minimilist performance and resource useage, it might wind up something to look in to. As it stands it gets my raspberry of the the year award. Feature poor, not particularly speedy (read clunky). Someone above mentioned that they preferred "chrome." Not me. Too much rust to deal with!

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Ceinach — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:35:57 GMT

Apparently I'm not the only one having this issue-

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisedesktop/archives/2008/09/ie_8_consumes_m.html

and the source-

http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2008/09/internet-explorer-8-over-2x-fatter-than.html

re: A Comprehensive Look at Internet Explorer Beta 2

Ceinach — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:26:55 GMT

Yes, it looks great. The memory requirement, however seems huge. This beta seems to take up almost 400 MB of RAM when I run it. Is this expected behavior? Will we see a reduction in requirements before RTM?

At this point, IE8 ALONE requires more resources than the entire XP operating system does. It requires at least THREE TIMES as much RAM as even Firefox.

If this is indeed what we expect to see in production (an absolute disregard for customer resources), then I've just lost a huge amount of respect for the IE8 development team...even if I think some of the UI changes are great.

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piaqt — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:20:19 GMT

I prefer chrome. I detest that shade of blue. And wtf happened to the command-bar separators?

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jdhall1010 — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:52:38 GMT

Ok, got it done. . .uninstalled using the control panel uninstall/uninstall update path. IE8 beta2 looks great so far!