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1. D123451

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 11:39AM  

   @dovella

   Well I gave up on SP1.... coz its still not appearing......

   ps I dun think it matters if i dun have the SP1 right!??!?!

   Basically there isn't any physical change on the system so why borther then I guess.... LOL

   Thx for your answering anyway. " )*
2. Project Mayu

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 11:46AM  

   64 bit OS is the future, Microsoft should drop 32 bit support for the next OS.

   But I hope the All programs must be signed to run, does not happen, its bad enough installing a non signed driver, only to have the next reboot say please reinstall windows.

   And I wish the built in burning ability, had a verify option.

   Vista's interface is far superior to XP's, and any of the annoying bugs and fatal flaws XP had. Love the search bar in the start menu, best thing ever added.

   And I don't know what the problem with UAC is, because once Windows is setup, it only comes up when I try to install something.

   And finally XP needed 4GB of ram, the 8GB I have on Vista 64, is better.
3. Morph

   
   Posted on: May 19, 2008 at 4:23AM  

   @dovella

   "XP First Year RTM (problem problem problem) and 60 m distribution"

   Yeah but they fixed "problem problem problem" very quickly and now it works. Not perfect but on hardware we all bought in the last 18 months its fine. Month after month waiting for fixes for Vista is rather slow, it makes me suspect that the codebase is still (in fact is probably more) convoluted and messy making bug fixing very hard.

   "Vista firt year rtm 100 m distribution and small problem."

   Depends on your definition of "small problem" really, months waiting for "WOW" features to be made operable is not too small really.

   And how many of those 100m have actually been sold and not just packaged up with a PC - have you tried to buy a PC WITHOUT Vista ?

   I look after 50+ PCs here and pretty much every user has opted for the "downgrade to XP" option which came with their machine. I suspect that the 50+ unused Vistas still count as sales.

   Then again http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207402157

   "Microsoft Thursday revealed that sales of licenses for its desktop Windows operating systems fell 24% in the company's fiscal third quarter, a sign that the Redmond's stranglehold on the PC market is weakening as new competitors emerge."

   I'm not anti MS but they botched this badly.
4. Bob-C

   
   Posted on: May 19, 2008 at 6:09PM  

   There were some features in XP that needed to be improved and Vista has improved them.  But there were other XP features that were like Classic Coke.  They were perfect the way they were.  There was no need to replace them with, "New Coke".  People naturally resent and resist it when you try to force them to give up something they thought was perfect.  Nobody wants to have, "New Coke", forced on them.  The Start Menu changes are a great example of how Microsoft did a poor job in recognizing that concept.

   - What in the world happened to the button entitled START?  I remember when Windows 95 came out and Bill Gates was bragging about how easy it was to use the new GUI  All a person ever had to remember was that they click on the word START.  Everyone instantly got it as the Rolling Stones song, "Start Me Up", blasted through Windows commercials every fifteen minutes.  Gates paid the Stones millions to make it the Microsoft Windows theme song.  It is impossible to forget just like the theme songs of Darth Vader or Rocky.  "What could be more simple and intuitive than the word START?", was what Bill Gates would ask.  EVEN KEITH RICHARDS GOT IT!!  How could replacing it with a Microsoft logo be more intuitive than a START button?  Could Darth Vader strut out of his shuttle to it?  Could Rocky use it in a montage?  What are we even supposed to call that thing?!?  Am I supposed to tell an end user on a support call, "First click on the symbol previously known as the START button."?  When I tried to use a Mac last year,  I just didn't get it.  I wanted to know where the heck the START button was and complained about how counter inuitive it was.  The START button = Windows.  It is iconic in our culture.

   - I also HATE that darn scroll bar that comes up when I click on the symbol previously known as the Start button.  It is NOT easier to use than XP's pop up menus.  Not by a long shot.  I can't even imagine what the rationale was and that makes it more aggravating.  STOP FORCING NEW COKE ON ME!!!

   - The Film Strip view was removed from Windows Explorer.  I realized you added a similar type of view but you moved it out of the Views pulldown.  Why?  If people already know where something is, how does it make it easier for them to use by moving it somewhere else?  People don't want their Classic Coke repackaged in some new color scheme where they are going to have to hunt for it in the Supermarket.  On top of that, would it have hurt to have both the Filmstrip view and the new View?  Why did it have to be one or the other?  Why force New Coke?

   * Having Vista automatically do defrags in the background is great because users no longer have to worry about them.

   * Having a built in two way firewall is great.

   * Having backups simplified and streamlined to go to other PC's is great.

   * Making it easy to do editing on pictures right in Windows Explorer is great.

   * Having glass windows with Aero and 3-D views and seeing realtime pop pictures of Windows running when I mouse over their minimized icons is superb.

   * Being able to scale pictures to any size in Explorer is really cool.

   * Having support for the latest version of IPv6 is great and will be GREATLY appreciated as Server 2008 takes off.

   Now if features like the Start Menu and Film Strip view and the other Classic Coke features in XP had been left alone, all of these positives would stand out more and Vista would've been more widely appreciated.  

   A new OS should improve poor features and build on top of great ones.  Not just indesciminately change every feature so it will look new and shiny.  It is the most important lesson that Microsoft can take out of Vista criticisms.  I hope you guys can use that construtively for Windows 7.  

   BTW, I thought that I had noticed the Start menu was unchanged in 2008 server when I saw a demo.  Correct me if I am wrong.
5. Photo1921

   
   Posted on: May 20, 2008 at 9:57AM  

   Bob-C, good analogy and I had totally forgot about the Start Me Up from 95.

   Brandon, any update on the link?
6. Oatman

   
   Posted on: May 20, 2008 at 7:27PM  

   I am no longer having any issues with Windows Vista what so ever. After the release of SP1 everything for me has been solved. The only bug I ever notice is when your transfering a file and click on the explorer window that your transferring it stops responding. But really who cares? Just dont' click something thats going to crash you. I've used Mac OSX and theres all these brags about how much faster it is. WELL if you would see what processes it runs Mac comes with barely any features you ahve to buy all the apps to make it feature filled. Mac is a core system with eye candy its so similar to linux its not even funny. Also with windows if an app crashes you just End task. Have you ever crashed an app in OSX??? The entire system shuts down. I really think you people need to give more credit to microsoft for all of their hard work.
7. Estesark

   
   Posted on: May 20, 2008 at 8:25PM  

   Oatman: "Mac is a core system with eye candy its so similar to linux its not even funny"

   You're right, it's not funny... it's a serious, attractive, straightforward operating system. Linux itself is still my OS of choice though.

   Anyway, here's a mirror, courtesy of The Guardian (A UK newspaper):

   http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/Five%20Misunderstood%20Features%20in%20Windows%20Vista.pdf

   It'll be interesting to see what changes, if any, Microsoft have made to the document when it returns.
8. Oatman

   
   Posted on: May 20, 2008 at 8:52PM  

   Whats ur favorite Linux OS mines Ubuntu/Sabayon.

   Btw thx for the link!
9. paurience

   
   Posted on: May 21, 2008 at 6:08PM  

   Oatman: "The only bug I ever notice is when your transfering a file and click on the explorer window that your transferring it stops responding. But really who cares? Just dont' click something thats going to crash you."

   Wow.  I hardly know what to say to that.  That really seems like it should be OK?  If your steering wheel in your car stopped changing the car's direction because you touched it while the car was moving, I have got to imagine that you would be a bit upset.  (Though that is not unlikely in the future as Synch evolves.)

   I am not a huge fan of Microsoft, Linux, or Mac.  I don't think any of them have gotten it right.  A computer functions on 1s and 0s.  It should not be that hard to come up with a system that doesn't crash.  PERIOD.

   Personally I am working on moving to Ubuntu and moving to running MS in a VMware player for things that I must run MS for such as my wife's remote access to work.  Things are not all together rosy that way either but at least I'm not paying $240 for the privlege of running software that has been crippled.  (They already coded all of the features for Vista Ultimate.  They aren't paying an extra $80 to press the Ultimate CDs.)  The only thing that MS has going for it at this stage is the fact that no significant strides are being made in people porting games to Linux.  Mac is getting better,  but they are still thin.

   Getting back to my original point.  (I digress sometimes.)  If I am paying even the paltry sum  of $200 for an OS (Windows Vista Home Basic), I expect to be able to MOVE A WINDOW while a file is being copied.  THAT is what ticks people off.  Knowing that you had to pay for a piece of software that can't even do what should be a fundamental task reliably.

   Wow.  That got way longer than I planned on. Sorry about that.  Not sorry enough to go back and edit it mind you, but sorry none the less.
10. BobWells

    
    Posted on: May 22, 2008 at 11:40AM  

    You forgot opne more "misunderstanding"...

    Namely: DRM

    Every article on DRM seems to skirt the issue of what is apparently just starting to happen...and exactly what we all feared would happen. CNET is running the following article today regarding Vista:

    "Microsoft is soon expected to explain why it inserted technology into its Vista operating system that blocked digital-TV viewers from recording their favorite shows. Their current excuse--that Microsoft adheres to regulations proposed by the Federal Communications Commission--makes little sense, as the only rules on controlling recording from broadcast TV were struck down by the courts in 2005.

    The controversy began last week, when some Vista Media Center users trying to record from over-the-air digital or basic cable television discovered that they were barred from recording NBC TV shows American Gladiators and Medium.

    In what for some was a stunning acknowledgment by Microsoft, the software maker said Windows Media Center honors the flags used by broadcasters to limit recording."