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1. michael.saul

   
   Posted on: May 15, 2008 at 9:00PM  

   Why isn't the Windows Messenger client included with this download?  My work mobile (an HP iPaq 510 on at&t) came with this application so I know that it's out there.  My personal Mobile (a Samsung SCH-i760), on the other hand, will be left as a second class citizen and be forced to use the inferior browser based client.

   We all know that "asking our carrier for wireless IM options" will result in either an additional $5.99 a month charge or the option to buy a new phone altogether.

   I have been a Windows Mobile user for 6 years over 5 phones and have been a proponent of the platform the entire time.  Microsoft has the unique position to marry their mobile platform with applications and services, but they seem to hand the reins over to corporations that are more interested in nickel and diming us than actually providing valuable services.  It's happening with Media Center and Cable card and the DRM debacle, it’s happening with the mobile phone operators and I’m sure we’ll see it crop up elsewhere.

   Maybe the release of an iPhone SDK, or the Android platform will allow end users to use their devices as they see fit.  In the mean time, I will continue to use Windows Mobile but my faith is constantly being tested.
2. Brandon LeBlanc

   

   
   Posted on: May 15, 2008 at 10:24PM  

   michael.saul, I'm sorry by not including a Windows Live Messenger client is making you think about switching away from Windows Mobile entirely. Thanks for your feedback and I've relayed it appropriately...

   Thanks,

   Brandon
3. JeffT

   
   Posted on: May 16, 2008 at 1:49AM  

   michael.saul (and others):

   There are third party clients for Windows Mobile that can connect to all the major chat networks/protocols so you can get the functionality easily, even if your carrier would prefer that you not know it existed (and would prefer that you believe that your Windows Mobile phone and its network is a walled garden, when it isn't really).

   These clients, of course, use your unlimited data plan, not "text messages" nor anything else the carrier can meter you for.

   I use Windows Mobile for the platform, but then use Opera instead of IE Mobile, FlexMail and Pocket Informant instead of Outlook Mobile, and a large number of other third-party applications.

   iPhone is not a competitive platform at the moment for power users of applications (despite being better at some things). Third-party applications cannot run in the background, so on the iPhone, you really can't provide your own IM app or push email app if Apple doesn't!
4. jamiet

   
   Posted on: May 16, 2008 at 4:58AM  

   Hi all,

   Has anyone installed this thing on the HTC Kaiser, otherwise known as the AT&T Tilt, Vodafone v1615, HTC TyTN II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_TyTN_II)?

   I have the Vodafone flavour of it. twice I've installed WL for Windows Mobile and twice its required me to do a hard reset of the device. I daredn't install it again.

   If anyone has any stories to share I would appreciate it.

   -Jamie
5. michael.saul

   
   Posted on: May 16, 2008 at 10:51AM  

   JeffT:

   Good points.  I suppose I'm just used to the Live client and actually find it suits my needs very well.

   The decision to let mobile operators tell Microsoft what features to implement still doesn't sit well with me.

   Thankfully, we aren't stuck with a walled garden anymore - remember when smartphones required signed applications to install?

   I have never tried Opera (or any of the other apps you mentioned) I'll certainly have to start looking at them.  Like I said, I'll continue to use my 2 Windows Mobile phones (though I'm still looking into consolidating those) because they have the right mix of features for me.
6. Deniz_O

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 12:24AM  

   I am in the same boat as jamiet.  I upgraded Windows Live on my HTC Touch and it was working fine after the reset, until I decided to soft reset my phone again.  I could not get past the Windows Mobile screen with the green background.  I had no idea what it was at the time so I had to hard reset my Touch and re-install all my recent apps. Same thing again...

   The only thing I installed new that day was my Windows live update.  After yet another hard reset, I only installed the Windows Live update with no email account set up and all was okay with subsequent reboots.  I then set up my Hotmail account and, as expected, I had to hard reset again.  I won't be installing it again any time soon until another update rolls around.  
7. jamiet

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 5:11AM  

   Hey deniz,

   I'm glad its not just me. Which model of phone do you have?

   I got in touch with http://support.live.com and they told me to go and contact my phone provider. I'm glad this has happened to someone else cos I can go back and say "err no, its YOUR fault".

   -Jamie

   P.S. I blogged about this problem: http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!550F681DAD532637!4726.entry
8. Deniz_O

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 3:53PM  

   Hey Jamie,

   MY Phone is the HTC Touch MP6900 (CDMA), which I believe is known as the HTC Vogue in Europe.  I also got a reply from support.live.com and was told to ensure there was enough free memory on my device storage.  I would imagine there will be many others with this issue!
9. Brandon LeBlanc

   

   
   Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 7:04PM  

   jamiet and deniz,I am shooting your comments over to the Windows Live for Windows Mobile folks. I'll try to investigate why this might have happened to you guys. I'll post my findings when I get some here.

   Thanks,

   Brandon
10. Deniz_O

    
    Posted on: May 18, 2008 at 11:46PM  

    Thanks, Brandon!