Information Regarding Windows 7 in Europe

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JAMD456 — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:02:16 GMT

I will be honest here, I think that shipping the OS without a browser is a very foolish idea, I prefer the ballot screen idea better as it allows one to actually choose what browser they want to use. What Microsoft are doing now is going to lead to many unnecessary complications, By doing this Microsoft is essentially forcing internet explorer on those who already do not know about the alternative browsers, This will lead to user confusion. Microsoft I believe is trying to force the European People against the Union by creating an unnecessary problem.

IF the internet explorer was Standards compliment then I would have no problem with its deployment but as it stands this is not the case and as the browsing market currently stands with Microsoft holding majority browser share, web code is unnecessarily complicated, Sites are either coded twice (IE and Standards Compliant) or IE only, forcing many users to use IE even though the other browsers are more than capable of rendering the site if it was coded correctly.

IE is also among the only browsers that has a closed sourced rendering engine. Microsoft *could* open up the code allowing people to modify the code and suggest improvements, perhaps allowing the end users to build a hybrid browser combining a Firefox compatible extension system with the Chrome JavaScript engine.

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JAMD456 — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:00:19 GMT

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Downloadic — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:32:35 GMT

It is truly time for Microsoft to wake up and smell the "coffee" and try to fix things before RUSHING it out the door!

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themaingrey — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:07:13 GMT

maybe it isn`t the right place to ask such questions but, Can test windows 7 as an organization ? not like simple user.

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paul bradshaw — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:54:51 GMT

I am unable to receive any windows updates since may 20th

I am using RC1

The error it gives me is "WindowsUpdate_80072EFD"

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fatherhusband123 — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:16:02 GMT

When 7 hits the shelves..what format will it be on? With the boot option off of removable media one would stand to ask....

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ncalliari — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:26:28 GMT

Sorry for being off topic, but wtf is going on Windows 7 team?!

When will this be fixed?

Everyone should read this btw...

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ITpendium — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:44:37 GMT

When you say Europe do you actually mean European Union or the whole Europe?

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alt-92 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:47:17 GMT

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Simply put: they're not big enough. Rest assured though, Apple has the attention of mrs. Kroes regarding their more aggressive vendor lockin.

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FFVImaster — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:14:51 GMT

This is completely ridiculous. IE is a Windows feature and it should remain included in Windows. Browsers are FREE - no one is losing any capital by having to compete with IE. Anyone who wants to use a different browser will do so regardless of whether or not IE is bundled. This will simply confuse people who are not as computer-literate as others.

Why doesn't Apple get in trouble for including their own software packages in their operating systems?

Another major issue here is that if people choose another browser when they buy a computer from a manufacturer, what will they do when they encounter a site that doesn't work correctly in anything but IE? They'll have to download it anyway. This doesn't happen as much as it used to but it still does. I am forced to use IE for one reason or another on probably a weekly basis.

I'm kind of surprised that people even really think about IE anymore.

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newscientist2000 — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:47:18 GMT

I guess that means that Windows Update now works without a browswer, huh?

Well so long as Microsoft offers free or low cost CDs with IE8 on to stores so customers can get IE8 easily I dont see a problem with this solution. If Mozilla wants to shove FireFox CDs in stores they can do that, ditto Google with Chrome.

I guess the gray area---depends on what the "easy-to-install basis" means, if it means through some offering built into the OS, then their may still be bias there to download and install IE8 over another browser. if IE is a more prominent choice then you go back into legal troubles again.

All in all... kind of a hassle for the consumer in Europe...in the Windows 95 days maybe it wouldnt be an inconvenience...but these days people expect a browser to be available as standard in their OS. I guess this will hit retail sales of boxed versions of Windows 7 in Europe unless free CDs are available at retail.

The question then is if you do a upgrade of Vista with IE7 to Windows 7 with IE8, will this have to be a clean install...will IE7 be removed when upgrading?

If not arent you perpetuating a browser monopoly?

Real headache Im sure, hey at least the lawyers get paid well right!

If you go the free CD method, maybe other windows Live software could be put on the CD or Office Accounting 2009 in order to encourage distribution.

On the plus side, this requirement has no doubt encouraged Microsoft to develop and improve IE8, which is why it has improved from IE7...which is a good thing.

Personnally I think the EU should just fine you more and give the money to some charities and leave off these silly punishment requirements that are so 90's at least for the retail versions of Windows 7.

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jnamead — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:39:48 GMT

Will Microsoft address the problems of synchronization of mobile devices before it RTM's another piece of software that will need more than one SP within six months of release? The latest WMDC version 6.1 does not seem to even recognize my device as anything other than another network connection, will there be a fix before the release date? Or will your tech people be subjected to repeated emails and complaints?

It is truly time for Microsoft to wake up and smell the "coffee" and try to fix things before RUSHING it out the door!

If GM or Chrysler or Ford or any other auto maker tried to sell a car that was only partially built, do you think they would have much business afterwords? It would be ludicrous to get into a car and put it in gear only to have a pop up tell you "ERROR DRIVER DID NOT INSTALL CORRECTLY" So why should we accept a piece of software that is only partially tested and even though it seems to be better than Vista it is still halfbaked!

Many would forget or want to forget Windows and Windows 3.2 and Millenium and Vista and the grief they engendered. Will Microsoft try and fix the bugs before it releases Windows "7" or is it really 8!